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[M2 rule vote] - Mod David
The voting system in lords of lords is inherently flawed.
Basically as it is now all someone needs to progress to support, mod or cop is ONE admin vote. This takes away a major proportion of the voting power from the people who know most about the game/HC (cops and admins) and the people who have been in the game/HC the longest.
This vote is not about diminishing the democracy, its about making sure that the people who can actually read all the nasty stuff in Cops HQ and Admins pub and who remembers the deeds someone did half a year ago but has now been forgotten by everyone actually have a say in who gets promoted.
In the past there has been plenty of examples of people getting promoted to support, mod or cop with only ONE admin agreeing on this and the others being directly against it. That's just... wrong heh.
As such I would like to put the following new rule up for a vote:
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics, but also be agreed upon by at least 2 admins and 2 cops. Admins can be used instead of cops (so in order to promote someone agreement is needed from: 4 admins, 3 admins + 1 cop, or 2 admins and 2 cops).
This means that any vote is invalid in politics even if it "goes through" there until at least 4 cops/admins (2 of which must be admins) agree that the promotion is in order.
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
I'm not exactly sure this would be the best Idea for the HC for one. SilenT set up the voting systems the way he did because all the admins won't always agree. Anyways, I'm offended to see that Cops/admins know the most about the game =(. I'm just a lowly Support and I know more about the game then some of the mods/cops do =(.
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 00:02:08 by Support Daniel
- Admin amakiller - 29 Jan 2007
I agree.
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
The voting system was made for:
Max 15 Admin's
1.[pwned]Admin Dexter 0.52 second inactive
2.[pwned]Admin Oropher 44.25 minute's inactive
3.[000]Admin Darkness4 11.94 hour's inactive
4.[GBH]Admin 1911a1 1.30 week inactive
Max 19 Cop's
1.Cop Pooflinger 0.02 second inactive
2.[NTC]Cop Norskvind 3.12 hour's inactive
3.[GR]Cop Remington 3.68 hour's inactive
4.Cop G0rdita 2.25 day's inactive
Max 23 Mod's
1.Mod Velocity -0.02 second inactive
2.[BoB]Mod Donutbb 0.15 second inactive
3.[FI]Mod Relkim 4.10 hour's inactive
4.Mod Seetherwig 16.63 hour's inactive
5.Mod Aldoran 19.01 hour's inactive
Max 26 Support's
1.[GBH]Support Bl00d1 29.67 second's inactive
2.[FI]Support Raatteen 8.96 minute's inactive
3.[TAM]Support Lancerman 3.68 hour's inactive
4.[IAB]Support Darkwind 4.21 hour's inactive
Now, having such a small amount of admins and cops makes it UNABLE for more than _ONE_ admin to have a say in any promotion except a promotion to admin. OH and cops have NO say at all unless the person is voted for promotion to cop or admin heh.
No offence, but that can not have been what SilenT intended.
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 00:09:15 by Admin PugG
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
Well would you rather have the max amount of HCM for each HC title? I know I wouldn't. I DEFINATELY would not want 15 admins either, that's for damn sure.
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
Then we agree the voting system is flawed, cause having one vote decide who gets to become promoted = sucky.
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
It's not just 1 vote? Other HCM MUST agree in order for the title to be passed, just because it takes one admin means nothing. So somebody gets up to cop with 1 admin vote, what can they do to harm the game other than power abuse which they will be stripped and jailed for? They CAN'T harm the admins.
- Support PaLy - 29 Jan 2007
Hooray for more rules...And less voting power for the HC...My vote is no.
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 03:24:46 by Support PaLy
- Mod dark1 - 29 Jan 2007
Don't fully agree. Sorry, heh, but Dan is right, being able to read all the "nasty" stuff in HQ and AP does not necessarily mean they know more than a Support. They are more informed as of now, but I can guarantee Dan and I remember more that has happened in the last year or so than some of the current Admins and Cops. I do however believe 2 Admins should be needed, I don't think Cops are besides what is on the politics page.
If 2 Admins want to go on a promotion spree, I'm sure the other Admins will deal with it accordingly.
If the said Admins decide to pull a stunt and demote the other Admins, SilenT will deal with that accordingly as well.
No smartass comments are needed for the example above. Thank you.
So as of now, how the wording stands, my vote is a nay.
- Mod Nasuada - 29 Jan 2007
im with ryan and dan on this
*votes no*
- Mod Relkim - 29 Jan 2007
Hooray for more rules
Fully agreed there Tom...
To be totally honest with all of you, I think making it so not only do 2 admins have to vote someone up (I have no problem with this part), but 2 cops also have to vote (plus whatever required cops...), would be an attempt to block promotions, and would basically tell me that you don't need supports/mods because they don't have the "knowledge" that those that can read CHQ/AP have...
- Mod dark1 - 29 Jan 2007
Would also like to add that I want to see this in the change.
Along with the edit I suggested above, that if more votes are needed in the regular politics Vote requirement, that that overrules this.
I do not want any type of change to be used as a loophole to put people at Admin with Two Votes. Sorry.
So, I think I stated this before, I think it should be two admins instead of one for promotions in politics that require one admin vote, along with all required votes in the HC.
- Cop GreatCornholio - 29 Jan 2007
I vote yay on this, this makes sure that we have a HC that is in line with how we want the rules to be enforced ... making the HC seem as one unit rather than mutiple sine people running around.
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
I do not want any type of change to be used as a loophole to put people at Admin with Two Votes. Sorry.
Eh... read the wording again, it has to pass the "normal" vote in politics too.
Again, this is not done to prevent promotions, its done to prevent stupid promotions that should never have happend and quite frankly, that some HC members do not understand that the voting system is flawed is... sad.
As rick said, it also ensures a more uniform HC and less likelyhood of people getting voted in due to personal favors...
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 07:23:28 by Admin PugG
- Mod dark1 - 29 Jan 2007
Oh I understand that it is flawed, and my mistake I didn't reread your proposal before making my second post, I however, still stand by first post in saying that 2 Admins should be needed, at least.
Cops shouldn't be needed unless it appears that way in Politics.
Just my thoughts, heh.
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
I believe cops should have a saying in promoting other people, right now they almost don't have any voting power. That's just lame.
- Admin Darkness1 - 29 Jan 2007
I would say yay on this and agree with Rick by ensuring the HC is as one unit
- Admin Oropher - 29 Jan 2007
I vote yes.
At the very least @ the no-sayers. - What would you feel about requiring at least two admin votes ADDED on the normal votes eh? At least then the favorism can dissapear ABIT...Now just 1 admin @ some mod/support friends could vote someone up rather soon...heh
- Mod David - 29 Jan 2007
well... a couple points
first of all, The statement that a cop has no say on who becomes support, and little say on who becomes mod, is flawed, for the simple reason that any extra "higher" votes, count as a lower vote if needed.
i.e. in your example, under present circumstances: 2 admins and 2 cops vote for someone's support application. The person now only needs one mod, or support vote, and they become support.
second of all, from the rules page:
If it is voted by 75% of the admins in the high council, you will receive your promotion, regardless of vote status on the politics page.
As it stands right now, and as i understand there's not a great desire for there to be more than 4 admins.. but as it stands, per the rules page, only 3 admin votes are required for a person to be promoted.
so, as it r right now, this would allow promotion, even under your new rule:
3 admins, or 2 admins and 2 cops.
so, to sum it up, i agree with there being at least 2 admins votes to promote, however i do not agree with there having to be at least 2 cop votes.
So, unless that is modified, my vote is a resounding no.
my suggestion for the modification is either:
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics, but also be agreed upon by either 4 admins, or (25% of the total admins + 1).. whichever is less.. 2-5 admins = 2 votes needed; 6-9 admins = 3 votes needed. 10-15 admins = 4 votes needed
for this one ^ i understand that we're not looking to have that many admins, however this deals with possible future circumstances, as well as now.
or just simply this:
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics, but also be agreed upon by at least 2 admins.
$.02
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
No, lets look at how much the cops REALLY decide.
Taken from the guide:
Admin 75% Admins and 25% Cops Cop All requirements for Cop,Mod and Support
Cop 25% Admins and 75% Cops Mod Knows the game and enforces the rules
Mod 1 Admin, 25% Cops and 75% Mods Support Trust worthy, know the guide verry well.
Support 1 Admin, 25% Mods and 75% Supports None Need to know the guide a bit
Supports: Helps decide who becomes support, which makes sense
Mods: Helps decide who becomes support and mod, again, makes sense
Cops: Helps decides who becomes mod, cop and admin
Admins: Helps decides who becomes.. well everything.
Now, why the hell are cop votes not needed for people to become support?
By becoming cop you lose voting abilities that you regain as admin. No offense, but that's just... sucky =).
Besides, the reason the rule was made with 4 cops+admins where 2 can be cops was to take AWAY power from the admins so the admins were not the sole decision makers on promotions. This way 50% of admins (as of now) can still disagree and the person can get promoted IF 2 cops agree.
Now, that is way more democratic than saying "we just need more than 1 admin vote" - cause that would STILL only make it depend on the admins. My wording would make voting possible to depend solely on admins yes, but it also makes it possible to depend on cops instead, hence handing some of the voting power people lose when becoming cops back to them.
Yes, I know we right now count higher votes as lower, but actually that has never been written down anywhere and is just assumed to be ok :P. I agree with this being ok, but I also think that cops should have a say in who gets promoted to support and technically right now, they don't.
To sum it up: I disagree with your wording david as that AGAIN makes promoting people depend solely on admins.
- Mod David - 29 Jan 2007
it was written. dunno which moron took it out.
so while we're at it, lets add that back in..
For someone to be promoted, one of the following things must occur:
1) For "politics" voting.
At least 2 Admins must agree, and the person must receive all required votes in politics.
Exceptions:
When there are 1-3 admins, only one admin vote is required for support.
When there are 1-2 admins, only one admin vote is required for mod.
Therefore, the required votes are defined as follows:
When there are 4 or more admins:
For Admin: 75% admin, 25% cop.
For Cop: 25% Admins (at least 2) and 75% Cops
For Mod: 2 Admin, 25% Cops and 75% Mods
For Support: 2 Admin, 25% Mods and 75% Supports
When there are 3 admins:
For Admin: 75% admin, 25% cop.
For Cop: 25% Admins (at least 2) and 75% Cops
For Mod: 2 Admins, 25% Cops and 75% Mods
For Support: 1 Admin, 25% Mods, and 75% Supports
When there are 1-2 admins. - and i hope to God we never get to this point again.
For Admin: 75% admin, 25% cop.
For Cop: 25% Admins (at least 2) and 75% Cops
For Mod: 1 Admin, 25% Cops and 75% Mods
For Support: 1 Admin, 25% Mods, and 75% Supports
Any surplus Admin votes can be counted as a cop, mod, or support vote, where needed
Any surplus Cop votes can be counted as a mod, or support vote, where needed.
Any surplus Mod votes can be counted as a support vote, where needed.
2) 75% admin approval (Allowed)
If it is voted by 75% of the admins in the high council, you will receive your promotion, regardless of vote status on the politics page.
As far as my wording making it depend soley on the admins, that statement is not true, other than 75% admin approval has always been instant promotion/demotion.
As it stands right now, and as it would stand with my wording, Cops are not required votes for lower titles, but to say they have no voice in that, tis bull.
as i count it, however, there are 6 no votes right now... and 5 yes votes... with 5 poeple that haven't posted, and tommy being unable to get to a computer with internet access. however, 8 people agree that there should be at least 2 admin votes, and as i can tell, only 3 disagreed with that, (although i can't really tell if nikki and paly agree or disagree with that, since their posts aren't very... long *coughs*)
but *shrugs* do as you will. If this vote fails because the wording doesn't get changed, i'll make another one, with my wording.
edit: edited the my proposed rule above
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 21:23:12 by Mod David
- Mod Seetherwig - 29 Jan 2007
I have been waiting to vote 'no' until I could think of a reasonable alternative. So here is my take on what I would like to see:
For Admin: 75% admin, 25% cop.
For Cop: 25% Admins (at least 2) and 75% Cops
For Mod: 25% Admin, 25% Cops and 75% Mods
For Support: 25% Admin, 25% Mods, 25% Cops and 75% Supports
I feel the admin vote should be a percentage rather than a number. If for whatever reason sometime in the future we are faced with a two person (or even three) Admin team, I do not think there should need to be a majority agreement on support if the rest of HC is voting the person in.
- Mod David - 29 Jan 2007
edited to provide for that, sort of. i still disagree with the 'required cop votes' portion, so that wasn't included :P
- Mod Soulace - 29 Jan 2007
Personally, I feel that this new rule would just reduce the amount of say people have in the HC, since it is basically saying that the first vote doesn't matter, and therefore when the 2 Admin and 2 Cop votes are needed, then they are the ones who make the decisions. No one elses votes matter anymore except for those of the cops and the admins.
IMO this is just more rules that are not needed. This is what topics such as Next {insert fav. HCM title here} are for. That is where discussions are held concerning upcoming people in the HC, and I know that if enough people voice out against a person, then they won't get in. Same goes for the opposite, if enough people feel that someone will make a good HCM, then most other people will go along.
A new rule is not needed, it would only complicate things way too much. All that is needed is for people to just talk to each other and share opinions. Make decisions together, like a team.
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 21:30:58 by Mod Soulace
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
*agrees with soul* That is pretty much what this rule is doing. It will give all the say to those 2 cops and admins, and if they don't vote, then all it does is just cancel out the other votes. It's as if the lower HCM have NO say in the voting process at all. What's the point in that?
- Admin PugG - 29 Jan 2007
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics
That is where the supports and mods have their votes, apparently both of you missed that.
Then again, I'm getting a bit tired of this. This is a way to TRY and reduce the amount of clutter in the HC caused by the insane voting system and to make the HC more homogenous. Now, what exactly is it that keeps causing problems in the HC? People acting on their own and especially admins acting on their own as well as people totally disregarding current rules and trying to uphold their own set of ideals.
If single persons (and yes, the admin vote has been the deciding vote in LOTS and LOTS of votes in politics, ever noticed how the admin vote almost ALWAYS comes last? Weird eh?) are allowed to continue to mold the HC as they see fit by doing this it will end in chaos once again sooner or later.
It's quite sad that people can't see that what I'm doing is trying to take AWAY some admin power here and all you guys can do is bitch and moan about the small downsides to this. Get over it.
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
No I did not miss that Dex, what I'm saying is if those cops and admins DO NOT agree, then the rest of the votes even if they have the required are worthless.
- Mod David - 29 Jan 2007
i have no problem with this modification:
At least 2 Admins must agree, and the person must receive all required votes in politics.
Exceptions:
When there are 1-3 admins, only one admin vote is required for support.
When there are 1-2 admins, only one admin vote is required for mod.
With this being added back in:
Any surplus Admin votes can be counted as a cop, mod, or support vote, where needed
Any surplus Cop votes can be counted as a mod, or support vote, where needed.
Any surplus Mod votes can be counted as a support vote, where needed.
I do have a problem with requiring that at least 4 of the votes on any application be admin/cop. heh
at the moment, it only takes 5 votes for someone to become Support, and 6 for them to become Mod. to require 66-80% of them to be cop/admin, tis bull.
- Support Daniel - 29 Jan 2007
THANK YOU! =). As I said, what it is doing is taking most of the say out of OUR votes. If somebody has the required votes but not 2 admin/2cop votes, then we have no say in who gets voted in and who doesn't.
*notes* And I have no problem with those modifications either. Those are sensible, well thought out, and completely understandable.
Edited on 29 Jan 2007 23:36:24 by Support Daniel
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
Hmm I see the point actually, the 4 required admin/cop votes can then not count towards "lower votes" as I agree, that would take away too much power from supports/mods.
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics, but also be agreed upon by at least 2 admins and 2 cops. Admins can be used instead of cops (so in order to promote someone agreement is needed from: 4 admins, 3 admins + 1 cop, or 2 admins and 2 cops). These 4 votes can not count as lower votes (e.g. mod or support votes), however additional cop or admin votes will be able to count as such.
How about that wording then?
- Mod dark1 - 30 Jan 2007
Now we're getting somewhere, but one question.
however additional cop or admin votes will be able to count as such.
Wouldn't the people agreeing to the promotion, also put their vote in politics? Making it to to where it seems like we have less of a say, heh.
While I tried talking to Dex about this at 7 in the morning his time, I don't think he got my point. =)
However, I am certainly closer to agreeing now, than before. =)
Also, if I'm helped to understand that what I said above is not possible, then I believe my vote is yes.
But until then, nope. =)
- Support Daniel - 30 Jan 2007
Still not fair, it still takes power away from the supports/mods. Either way it's still saying that if the votes are not there after the initial politics vote, then our say still means nothing. There are many cops/admins that are NOT online at the times when there are people doing their job or doing their damned best to help so they can't always be seen by the cops and admins, so what's to say that they will be able to see what is going on? If they can't be there to see what is being done and who is helping, who is doing their job, and who is doing it correctly, then how will they know if they are ready for promotion or not? They CAN'T.
- Mod Relkim - 30 Jan 2007
Dan, don't ya know that admins read chat logs while they sit on the shitter in the morning/afternoon/night? It's standard procedure.
- Admin amakiller - 30 Jan 2007
I dunno, I may just be tired heh...but maybe we are looking at this the wrong way...instead making it to where at least 2 admins/2cops...w/e have to approve...why not just put a clause in the rules along the lines of 2 admins not agreeing with said promotion then a temp. strip can occur until voted on again or w/e...lol may not have made any sense but I knew what I meant :P
- Support Daniel - 30 Jan 2007
lmfao... I understand, Let me rephrase for the rest. He said that if the promotion occurs but 2 admins do not agree upon said promotion then a temporary strip may be issued until two admins agree.
- Mod Relkim - 30 Jan 2007
I would say 75% admins...Because you could get 2 people in league with each other demoting people on a whim...I know M2's going to hell and all, but lets not help it along.
- Admin amakiller - 30 Jan 2007
What i said was just an idea thats needs to be expanded on and refined to perfection :)
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
eh.. i disagreed with making 2 of the votes be admin votes, and 2 of the votes be cop votes.. why would i agree to make it like this:
1) Dame K0ngzilla Support 0 of 3 0 of 2 1 of 1 0 of 3
2) Dame Kongzilla Support 0 of 4 0 of 1 1 of 1 0 of 3
and we don't have 5 admins .. so it couldn't be
3) Dame K0ngzilla Support 0 of 5 0 of 0 1 of 1 0 of 3
or for mod:
1) Support Raatteen Mod 0 of 3 0 of 3 1 of 4 0 of 0
2) Support Raatteen Mod 0 of 4 0 of 2 1 of 4 0 of 0
and again.. not possible at present:
3) Support Raatteen Mod 0 of 5 0 of 1 1 of 4 0 of 0
I'd like a solution that works in our present situation please.
or have we forgotton that 75% admin approval is instant promotion?
and please. how is it right to require someone to get 52% of the HC to vote for them to become a support, or 76% of the admins/cops/mods to vote for someone to get mod.
so no. my vote is still no.
And ama... as it stands right now.. if 75% of the admins vote to demote someone, that person are demoted period -- I'd really rather not put a # on that.
Maybe add if 50% of the admins disagree with the position someone has in the HC, that person gets temporarily demoted, while its discussed/put to a vote of the entire HC? or something .. i dunno.. i doubt i'd agree to something like that, but i'd have to see how its worded first..
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
There are many cops/admins that are NOT online at the times when there are people doing their job or doing their damned best to help so they can't always be seen by the cops and admins, so what's to say that they will be able to see what is going on? If they can't be there to see what is being done and who is helping, who is doing their job, and who is doing it correctly, then how will they know if they are ready for promotion or not? They CAN'T.
bl00d, so basically you are alright with ONE admin "witnessing" someone doing good for that person to be promoted? That's just crap and will lead to exactly what it is this is trying to prevent: Nepotism, bringing friends forward, more suck up behavior.
Wouldn't the people agreeing to the promotion, also put their vote in politics? Making it to to where it seems like we have less of a say, heh.
Ryan, yes, the people agreeing would put their votes in politics as well, what I mean is that, the amount of admin and cop votes needed in politics count as being part of the 4 (or 3+1 or 2+2), but extra cop+admin votes can not count towards being part of mod/support votes until the 2+2 is satisfied (e.g. the first 2 cop votes can not count as mod or support votes, but the 3rd can).
and please. how is it right to require someone to get 52% of the HC to vote for them to become a support, or 76% of the admins/cops/mods to vote for someone to get mod.
David, your argument is flawed since you don't realise the cop and admin votes are not "EXTRA", if an admin is required I'm not saying 2 MORE admins are required, I'm saying in total there should be at least 4+0 (or 3+1 or 2+2) Admin+Cop support before someone gets promoted. That's the same as saying in our present situation that at least 50% of the cops and admins should agree on a promotion. No offence, but how exactly is that wrong?
Also, how can it be wrong to require 52% of the votes for someone to become support? That's just ABOVE what is deemed a democratic election as you may well be aware of. Last time I checked the only country in the world selecting leaders or members of congress without a majority was the US, please don't impose those rules here :S.
Right now it is inherently flawed as it only takes ONE admin and at times ONE cop to agree to most promotions hence handing WAY too much power of voting to a single admin (and to whomever of the supports/mods he can sway :P).
Do the calculations again, this time be aware that the solution I proposed will actually work and don't try again to bring up WRONG calculations to support your point of view, that just makes me sad :P.
Read my proposal as it stands, don't try to put extra words into it. For clarity, here is the last proposal once again:
All promotions in the HC must not only pass the vote in politics, but also be agreed upon by at least 2 admins and 2 cops. Admins can be used instead of cops (so in order to promote someone agreement is needed from: 4 admins, 3 admins + 1 cop, or 2 admins and 2 cops). These 4 votes can not count as lower votes (e.g. mod or support votes), however additional cop or admin votes will be able to count as such.
Nowhere is it saying that the 4,3+1 or 2+2 must be additional to the ones already needed for a normal politics vote.
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
so it becomes
1) Dame K0ngzilla Support 0 of 2 0 of 2 1 of 1 0 of 3
2) Dame Kongzilla Support 3 of 3 0 of 1 1 of 1 0 of 3 (instant promotion)
3) Dame K0ngzilla Support 3 of 4 0 of 0 1 of 1 0 of 3 (instant promotion)
or for mod:
1) Support Raatteen Mod 0 of 2 0 of 2 1 of 4 0 of 0
2) Support Raatteen Mod 3 of 3 0 of 1 1 of 4 0 of 0 (instant promotion)
and irrelevant at the moment, but:
3) Support Raatteen Mod 3 of 4 0 of 1 1 of 4 0 of 0 (instant promotion)
so its 47% of the HC for Support, and 69% of mod/cop/admin for mod
*twirls finger in teh air* .. and i notice you conveniently didn't reply to the fact that 75% admin approval is instant promotion. either way, i'm not going to agree to requiring at least 2 cops agree to a promotion.
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as for as the US government. Dexter, your argument is flawed. I can understand comparing apples, and oranges.. but lets not try to compare apples to killer whales,.. eh? The US is a constitutional republic, governed with a Representative democracy system.
You'll notice, that in a representative democracy, the _people_ vote on their _representatives_.
Here, on the other hand, the _representatives_ vote on the _representatives_. Now, i dunno what you call that, but is sure as hell is not a democracy.
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Finally, once again, a system that will work in our present circumstance, please.
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
75% Admin vote is still in effect yes, but that requires a specific admin vote in forums to be called, whereas this doesn't so it is actually quite different.
Also, this will work under our present circumstances. I am aware of the fact that you disagree. Your disagreement is noted.
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
75% admin approval in forums or in politics..
you'll notice that while the heading states voting in forums, the actual wording of the rule does not state where the vote must occur.
Voting in Forums (Allowed)
If it is voted by 75% of the admins in the high council, you will receive your promotion, regardless of vote status on the politics page.
edit: and though i don't remember when, .. 2-3+ years ago is too long to remember that :S, there is precedent for someone being promoted due to having 75% admin vote in politics
Edited on 30 Jan 2007 15:33:14 by Mod David
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
Actually after thinking about it, let's end this discussion as there is already a rule that will ensure continued admin dictatorship and ignoring of cop as well as mod and support votes:
If it is voted by 75% of the admins in the high council, you will receive your promotion, regardless of vote status on the politics page.
Oh and this current rule will also ensure that most future votes upon rules will not go through:
- In order to pass a new rule 75% of the HC need to approve. Otherwise the new rule fails and is not enforced.
(whoever came up with that idiotic rule should be shot :-)
Welcome to admin dictatorship, your mileage may vary.
Cops, you picked the shortest straw of everyone in the voting contest, too bad :-(
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
This topic will self destruct in 1 hour as apparently more than 25% *want* "the old ways".
Edited on 30 Jan 2007 15:37:22 by Admin PugG
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
*hands you a gun, points in SilenT's direction* :)
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
Nope, he didn't make the rule I want to shoot people over :-)
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
eh.. he made both you listed, so dunno which other rule you're talking about :)
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
SilenT made some weird calls in his original rules banning several daily used words heh. He did however not talk about how to vote on new rules, all he said in the original rules was:
Disclaimer. The rules that are posted on this page are subject to changes....some rules can be added and removed.... This page is just to give you the basic idea of what the rules are... it well say what you can and cannot say in the chat and in messages...if you have any comments or complaints please reply to this forum.....
Taken from: http://www.lordsoflords.com/meadow2/rules.php
- Admin PugG - 30 Jan 2007
To my knowledge SilenT has never made any custom rules.
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
...... it wasn't in the original rules. both were made in forums due to some problems at the time. and no, not these forums, the old ones.
- Mod David - 30 Jan 2007
although.. *thinks*.. i lie. you're right, the
- In order to pass a new rule 75% of the HC need to approve. Otherwise the new rule fails and is not enforced.
was made by the admins, in order to give some power back to the rest of the HC. up until that point, the only rule changes that occured were due to 75% admin approval only.
Of course, admins can still pass a rule that way, but the rule change is subject to the approval of the rest of the HC, and if 25% disagree, the rule change is nullified. :)
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